February Updates Disscussion

[Tiggy]

Leave whatever comments, questions, and concerns regarding this month's updates right here.

[Gin Seimei]

OKAAAAY, THIS IS AWESOME UPDATE! (Will make Gin a summon Lance instead of being him, I like that there's two beings that work together instead of just one)

I wanna say that adding variation to summoning persona is cool and all but two things need to be said:

- Armour types should have their size vary on two things, first being where they are (like their smaller outside inverse since it's not the inverse but much bigger when inside) and the size should also be able to change depending on the strength of the character. This I think will remedy some things but needs a "size scale" in case something isn't set in stone yet.

- People can exploit Summoned persona types since their are one extra person in the battle, it can help to add a timer on how long the persona stays in their materialised form and/or making the persona be a separate entity is the goal and is counted as the focus point of the type, then I have no complaints

(This will be edited again when I need to add what I say about the mastery system)

[Hiromi Sakata]

Good job with the update.
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NOW FOR ME TO UTTERLY OBLITERATE IT!
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But for reals. Good job. I'm just going to go through it and comment where I have questions/concerns/unfiltered rage/comments.

I like the idea of persona types. You can decide pretty much if you wanna play it like the p3/p4 games or like the p4 anime. Gives it more of a variety. I think armor type would only work with really select (humanoid) personas but it is within the lore type (those support personas i.e. Rise and Fukka). Over all. Variety is good.

I think the mastery/archetype system is fine. It does focus on balance over creativity (from trying to design the 'ultimate persona' to simply a 'odd' one) which I think needs to be stated. BUT balance is a good thing. You'd have to give everyone time to possibly redesign their persona, but I think it could work out really well.

You are missing the enhance tree. /shifty eyes.

I might comment more after re-reading it, but so far it looks good.

[Tiggy]

Feb 6, 2016 10:49:52 GMT -5 Gin Seimei said:

OKAAAAY, THIS IS AWESOME UPDATE! (Will make Gin a summon Lance instead of being him, I like that there's two beings that work together instead of just one)

I wanna say that adding variation to summoning persona is cool and all but two things need to be said:

- Armour types should have their size vary on two things, first being where they are (like their smaller outside inverse since it's not the inverse but much bigger when inside) and the size should also be able to change depending on the strength of the character. This I think will remedy some things but needs a "size scale" in case something isn't set in stone yet.

- People can exploit Summoned persona types since their are one extra person in the battle, it can help to add a timer on how long the persona stays in their materialised form and/or making the persona be a separate entity is the goal and is counted as the focus point of the type, then I have no complaints

(This will be edited again when I need to add what I say about the mastery system)

For Armor (fuck yo British english) types the size was just going to be based on how big your persona is. It is literally just you in the persona. Since most personas that have been shown be it in the movies or games, aren't overly big it seems fine to me. Like we have the same persona and im Summoned and you Armor they would be the same size.

For Summoned types, the persona's actions are your actions. So if the persona is using Agi by extension you are using Agi, because you are one in the same. When I said separate entity i mostly meant it's not you. So basically only one of you can make an action in a post.

[Gin Seimei]

Sweet~

Armour - okay, it works as long as people don't create skyscraper-like armour personas, i'm fine with that since it's like you'er literally being a physical representation of that. (que for magical girls~)

Summoned - Sure, but you should define it a little more then on the thread since people could think of trying to exploit it where they are actually are not. 

[Matheroc]

Persona Types:
>Summoned: I don't see any problems.

>Empowered: Maybe I have my references wrong, but does that mean that Persona-Users with Empowered-Type Persona change into new clothes every single time they start fighting? :3

>Armor: *Has no idea about what are those biodigivolved users.* Eeee, basically big Personas protecting Users, then? ;^_^

>Support/Navigator: I still think that part "Support" in name isn't necessary.

Archetypes:
So, Jack-Of-All-Trades is an Archetype on its own, or is it that "No Archetype" playstyle?

Also, apparently we will need to make stats. If only to show how Tank is rocking high Defense, while Mage or Rogue is sinking into the pits of Defence. Oh, the joy. :V

I am going to note that Fighter can "Master" 4 Trees, Mage can "Master" 12 Trees, Rogue can "Master" 5 Trees, Tank can "Master" 5 Trees, Jack-Of-All-Trades can "Master" 3-5 Trees. (" 2 Physical and Magical Trees " Is that two from each category or two overall? )

I think. Because there is no other note about how many Trees or which one given Archetype can "Master".

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My issue: (Persona Types + Archetypes)

Feb 6, 2016 1:47:12 GMT -5 Tiggy said:

Support/Navigator: (...) They are the only Users allowed to have Navigator skills and access the Navigator tree (Navigator Tree is open regardless of Archetype)

Feb 6, 2016 1:47:12 GMT -5 Tiggy said:

Fighter: (...) They are closed off from the Elemental, Recovery, Navigator, and Ailment trees.

Feb 6, 2016 1:47:12 GMT -5 Tiggy said:

Mage: (...) They are closed off from all Physical trees, as well as the Navigator tree.

Feb 6, 2016 1:47:12 GMT -5 Tiggy said:

Rogue: (...) They are closed off from Elemental, Recovery, Navigator and Enhance trees.

Feb 6, 2016 1:47:12 GMT -5 Tiggy said:

Tank: (...) They are closed off from Ailment, Navigator, and Element trees.

Feb 6, 2016 1:47:12 GMT -5 Tiggy said:

Jack of all Trades: (...) They are not closed off from any of the trees, except Navigator.

Emphasis mine. Now, I get what you want this to do. You want to ensure that only Navigator-Type Persona will have access to Navigator Tree. Which you already did by that bold and underlined line. By that line, only Navigators can take Navigator Tree.
There is literally no need for those bold and italic parts. That's redundant. Those parts serve no purpose.

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Mastery System:
Stupid question, but how are we supposed to check damage and accuracy of spells? I mean, how much more accurate is Agi from Fire Tree Rank 1 from Agi from Fire Tree Rank 2? How much more damaging? ;^_^

Also, we are using stamina, last I checked. Technically, Users aren't going to be deprived of mana any time soon. o3o *Nitpicking*

Note: It seems that the best way to gain from those Physical or Elemental Trees is to be Normal (If Resist "Insert Element Here" isn't overwriting Weakness.) or Weak (-//- is overwriting Weakness.) to chosen Element. Good, good. *Activates Min-Max Mode*
Also, the best User can get is Immunity. No Reflect, no Absorb.

Going by costs, each Tree is worth 127 points. [My mistake. There are Trees with less Ranks. Almighty and Recovery. Ailmighty is worth 63 points, Recovery is worth 15 points. Unless I am missing something.]

February Event:
I am not interested that much. Besides, that terminology is alien to me. v(-w-)v

Advertising Event:
Eeee, sure. Do we have a button for other folks to show? Also, that big ad, we need to make sure that it is... 500 px? 600 px? Probably 500 px. In length and width. Hope you understand.

Also, I want control over Eastern Europe.

Mastery Skills:
In which I will point out mistakes, because I cannot tell if those skills are balanced. (I am not going to edit that, because, frankly, I suspect you would ban me were I to do so.)

Rogue
    - Stealth: You have some " " at the beginning and "[spoie" at the end.

It seems that from Slash skills to Fire skills,  every skill has " ". Just a note.

Slash
    - Vorpal Blade is dealing Pierce damage. Dunno, but that's strange.
    - Masakados is dealing Fire (which you wrote as "fire") damage. That's not even the same category. XD Also, "massive", not "Massive".

Strike
    - Akasha Arts are dealing Pierce damage. Again, strange.
    - Golden Strike - "massive", not "Massive"

Pierce
    - Pasupata - "massive", not "Massive"

Fire
    - Entei - "massive", not "Massive"

Electricity
    - You moved from "Electricity" in Elec Boost by "Elec" in Elec Amp to "elec" in Kiten and Gorogoro Narukami

Wind
    - From "Wind" in Wind Boost and Wind Amp to "wind" in Kamikaze and Vayaviya

Earth
    - Gaia's Rage - "severe", not "Severe"

Water
    - From "Water" in Water Boost and Water Amp to "water" in Tsunami and Deluge
    - Tsunami - "severe", not "Severe"
    - Deluge - Shouldn't it be "Deals massive water damage to all foes"?

Light
    - Samsara - "severe", not "Severe"

Ailment
    - Impure reach - Shouldn't it be "Impure Reach"?

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My issues: (Mastery Skills)
Again, stupid question, but why there are no skills for dealing massive damage to one foe?

I hope that Element Amp replaces Element Boost. And that Impure Reach replaces Ailment Amp. (Eee, maybe we should remain with Ailment Boost and Ailment Amp. It would leave Impure Reach for some other stuff.) Otherwise, we are looking at Pandora's Box - 75% chance to deal one of those ailments. (Who is choosing which one? User? Stuff? Target? -_- )

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Mastery Trees:
Maybe it is just me, but I am not seeing any benefit by going further than one Rank into whatever Sub-Archetype you are going. Three Ranks - you gain something; Beyond four Rank there is nothing.
Which incidentally means that Jack-Of-All-Trades can gain all advantages from every Archetype Tree. ;P

No mention about "all-target" skills from "light" to "heavy" damage. Are they used at full potential when their "one-target" version can be used at full potential? Rank later? Never?

Also, skills at ranks 6/7 are "Learned and used at full potential". Are they in normal Skill Set, like Maragi? Or are they like Fire Boost, outside of that Skill Set?
If skills like Fire Boost and Fire Resist are outside of Skill Set, that is.

Also, there is no Enhance Tree. I know, I searched for it. @w@

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In response to posts in this thread:
I would recommend writing that thing about Summoned-Type Persona, Zeke/Tiggy/Mara.

Zbroja (Superiority of language? Polish is the best.) - I hope so too, Devi. I mean, it should be viable option for everyone, not for "Wanderer around Ruins". ;P

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I think that I am done here. Thanks for reading. Make sure to leave comments. o/

The Admin Pope,
Matheroc

[Gin Seimei]

I'm going to make a new post instead of updating my previous, I know I'm volatile at times, deal with it~ <3

I think instead of two paths down for each class, we should make it three at maximum; two that are polar-opposite (say a warrior that focusses on damage and the other is one that focusses on defence instead) and one more unique class tailored for another play style (like  speed based fighter). It'll be hard to explain any of my ideas without lowering a person's standard since this is going be from my mind of all things (I'm really bad at explaining so this might take half a century, which I hope it won't for everyone's sake):

- firstly, the mastery skills for the elements have this "&nbsp;" that won't go away for whatever reason, just wanted to tell you that~

- next is my favourite, the mastery skills are fun, should stay. They're great as starting skills but fleshing them out can't be so hard. (Math and Tiggy will be the judge on how these selection of skills will be good, orz) so I'll start to list them here:

Fighter

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- (Warrior) Parry (activated) - After a chance dice roll, the target (in PVP and boss fights, can be used any number of times in PVE) can block an attack that would otherwise hit. (I'll leave the chance to Tigster + Math!) cooldown: 1 turn

- (Warrior 2/"Knight") Bravery (activated) - Doubles defence against enemies with higher strength/attack/level then self, non stackable, Duration: 2 turns, Cooldown: 2 turns

- (Warrior 4/ "Martial") Commander (passive) - gain resistance to Dark attacks, increases proficiency of all physical attacks and allows Bravery to last an extra turn depending on dice roll (a 1/5 chance)

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- (Berserker 2/ "Dragoon") Jump! (activated) - Allows user to jump into the air (required in RP), partially increases attack and accuracy of a physical attack dealt on next turn when in air. Cooldown: 2 turns

- (Berserker 4/ "Dark Knight") Sacrifice (activated) - Halves base-health to double amp/boosted proficiency of physical attack (strike, pierce or slash), lasts 3 cycles, stacks with Rage mode only, nullifies Healing magic on person and resists light attacks. Cooldown: 3 turns then changes return to normal

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Special route: Ronin! (If allowed, orz)

Specialising on utility skills when not moving 

- (Ronin) Stance (activated) - Increases attack-speed, attack and chance rate of countering (must have skill), player cannot move from position, this skill can be cancelled before the duration is finished but cooldown rate will be the same. Duration: 2 turns, Cooldown: 2 turns.

- (Ronin 2/ "Samurai") Backlash (passive) - This add-on skill gives the "Stance" skill the availability to reflect status inflicting and debuffing skills, this will require the user to spin another die for this to become active. 

- (Ronin 4/ "Shogun") Adjudicator  (passive) - Increases Duration of "Stance" skill by 1 and lowers cooldown by 1, increases resistance against partial staggering.

I know I made alot of typos so thank you for reading, If this gets tree a little positive, I will share my thoughts on how other trees can turn out. This Fighter tree is merely an extension on what's already there and I hope is somewhat alright.

I will now go and post other shiz elsewhere~

Love, Devi

[Keiko Hisakawa]

Tl;dr on the mastery system: It's too complex, and currently has no existing methods for growth. We've already talked about this over skype and I'm willing to help with making something better.

With that in mind:

I think instead of two paths down for each class, we should make it three at maximum; two that are polar-opposite (say a warrior that focusses on damage and the other is one that focusses on defence instead) and one more unique class tailored for another play style (like speed based fighter).

Unfortunately, I think this would just make things more complex. Most people probably won't want to overspecialize to that point to begin with, much less be daunted by increasingly complex systems of specialization.

And that's all I'm going to say on the mastery system as a whole at the moment. Now, more specific issues:

Rage Mode - Raises Attack, and Accuracy and lowers Defense for two post cycles for the user. After two cycles user burns out and cannot perform an action for two cycles.

Burning out for two turns is a deal breaker. Nobody wants to be completely incapacitated, much less for two full turns. The benefit needs to equal our outweigh the cost for any skill, and as written the cost here is far too great. The best I can suggest if you want to keep this one is to either remove the burn out time entirely or limit it to one turn.
(Keep in mind here that you're already nerfing yourself by lowering your defense, even before the burn out time.)

Taunt - The target of this skill must attack the user. Single Target. Duration 1 cycle. Cooldown 1 cycle.

This works well enough for player or mod-controlled shadows, but if there's ever a PvP situation, it's difficult to enforce.

Pasupata - Deals Massive Pierce damage to all foes

This is mostly just a nitpick on my part, but: "Pashupatastra."

Pyriphlegethon-Deals severe fire damage to all foes

Entei- Deals Massive fire damage to all foes

Also a nitpick, but I'd switch the names of these two.

Morning Star- Deals massive Almighty damage to all foes

Black Viper- Deals massive Almighty damage to all foes.

I see little reason for two separate and mutually exclusive skills that do the exact same thing. I'd either just use one of them or make them separate in some way. For instance, PI had a separate class of Almighty skills that were physical rather than magical in nature. Or Black Viper could be single target and obtained before the Morning Star.

Divine Grace - Increases Healing skills by 25%

Megami Tensei- Increases Healing skills by 50%

You have a Divine Grace in the skill list already, and it's considerably more potent than both of these.
In addition, I would not recommend any kind of healing effectiveness boost for mastery skills. Reason being is that the highest level healing skills are automatic full heals, thus rendering the likes of Divine Grace superfluous.

Beginner Tracker - Can sense enemies in a small radius and gauges strength relative to the party. Info is only revealed to the caster, must be relayed to the party through RP

Radar - Can sense enemies in a wide radius and gauges strength relative to the party. Info is only revealed to the caster, must be relayed to the party through RP

Eye of Providence - Can sense all enemies in a large radius and gauges strength relative to the party. Info is only revealed to the caster, must be relayed to the party through RP

It seems to me that having mastery skills for Navigator personas is redundant, since only one persona type can get them to begin with. But if it's possible to have a Navigator persona without this mastery tree, then I'd suggest the first of these to be available outside of the mastery tree.
(Also, on a similar note, what use does Treasure Radar actually have in-RP?)

[Matheroc]

After a long time, some thinking and good old reading.

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1. Proof that Matheroc doesn't read.

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Feb 6, 2016 1:47:12 GMT -5 Tiggy said:

The downside to this is that each archetype will be closed off from a certain tree, but able to master more trees they are open to.
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Whereas a Mage can master all Elemental trees, or a Fighter can master all Physical trees, JOT’s can only master 2 Physical and Magical Trees, and either Ailment or Healing.

Yay, I can read. Finally So:

• Fighters can "Master" 4 Trees: Slash Tree, Pierce Tree, Strike Tree and Fighter Tree.
• Mages can "Master" 12 Trees: Fire Tree, Ice Tree, Electricity Tree, Wind Tree, Earth Tree, Water Tree, Light Tree, Dark Tree, Almighty Tree, Healing (Recovery) Tree, Ailment Tree, Mage Tree.
• Rogues can "Master" 5 Tress: Slash Tree, Pierce Tree, Strike Tree, Ailment Tree and Rogue Tree.
• Tanks can "Master" 5 Trees: Slash Tree, Pierce Tree, Strike Tree, Healing (Recovery) Tree and Tank Tree.

[/a] or Dark Tree by taking "Paladin" or to Ailment Tree by taking "Guardian" at Rank 3, Tanks can "Master" 6 Trees.
Those who had chosen "Paladin" will be referenced by as Paladins. Those who had chosen "Guardian" will be referenced by as Guardians.

[li]Jacks Of All Trades can "Master" either:
-3 Trees: [Two Magical Trees/Two Physical Trees/Magical Tree, Physical Tree] and [Ailment Tree/Healing (Recovery) Tree] (That will be referenced to as " Version "2 Trees" ")
-5 Trees: Two Magical Trees, two Physical Trees and [Ailment Tree/Healing (Recovery) Tree] (That will be referenced to as " Version "4 Trees" ")[/li]
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I assume that:
-Physical Trees are Slash Tree, Pierce Tree and Strike Tree
-Elemental Trees are Fire Tree, Ice Tree, Electricity Tree, Wind Tree, Earth Tree, Water Tree, Light Tree, Dark Tree
-Magical Trees are Elemental Trees with addition of Almighty Tree

Notes to make:
Due to wording, it appears that Almighty Tree is available to everyone. I base that on the fact that there are separate mentions of Elemental Trees and Magical Trees. [ That shall be referenced from here as N.1 ]
I think that is RAW, but not RAI, therefore I decided to leave that out of list above.
In event that is the intended reading, Fighters, Rogues and Tanks gain one Tree more to "Master".
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2. Proof that Matheroc doesn't think.

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Alright, let us go back. What is the goal of that system?

Feb 6, 2016 1:47:12 GMT -5 Tiggy said:

The mastery system is a way of adding some balance to the game. We don't want people learning high level skills such as Ragnarok 2 weeks after they awaken.

Take a moment to read one of those Trees. You may notice that from Rank 1 to Rank 4 there is a phrase "'Insert name of the skill here' is used at full potential".
So, theoretically, one can take skill wrote in Rank 4 as soon as from having Rank 0. (There is no mention about how you cannot access skills from closed Tree. - Nitpick)

Granted, there is one mention about how using Ragnarok (Rank 4) when having only Rank 1 in Fire Tree may kill you. Going by that, border of Dangerious Forbidden Technique is appropriately (Your Rank + 3). (Your Rank + 2) is weaker and less accurate and more tiring, but it won't kill you. [ That shall be referenced from here as N.2 ]

Skills from Rank 6 and Rank 7 have phrase "'Insert name of the skill here' is Learned and used at full potential". I figure that RAI is that you cannot learn those skills in any other way.

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3. Proof that Matheroc's time doesn't pass.

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Feb 6, 2016 1:47:12 GMT -5 Tiggy said:

Rank 1: 1 point

Rank 2: 2 points

Rank 3: 4 points

Rank 4: 8 points

Rank 5: 16 points

Rank 6: 32 points

Rank 7: 64 points

So, let us combine what we have in this post, above and some skills, shall we?

Rank 3 is where you get Resist "Insert Element Here". Going from complete null (Rank 0), that's 7 points. (Ironically or not, that's where Jack-Of-All-Trades ends many Trees.)
Rank 5 is where you get Null "Insert Element Here". Going from complete null (Rank 0), that's 31 points. Going from Resist, that's merely 24 points.

In price of getting one Null, I could get four Resists and be on my merry way to get fifth one with Rank 2 in some Tree.
Mages can render themselves Resistant to half of Elemental Trees.
Fighters can render themselves Resistant to all Physical Trees and be done with their Archetype Tree (Read "Second proof that Matheroc doesn't read").
Rogues can render themselves Resistant to everything they can throw, namely Physical Skills and Ailments.
Tanks can become Resistant to all Physical Skills and either be better at healing or becoming Paladin (access to Light or Dark Tree) or Guardian (access to Ailment Tree).

I kinda can remember those skills as being outside Skill Set. [That will be referenced from here as N.3] In event that's not true, I am sorry for being mistaken.

From that, I will disregard Rank 6 and Rank 7. Those only quicken potential death.

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In event of N.3 being false, disregard:

Note: Due to not having any description of Ailment Resist and Ailment Null, values with it are separate from values without it. [Value without Ailment Resist/Value with Ailment Value]

Due to what Trees what Archetype can access:

• Fighters can end up with Resist to every element they deal with after spending 21 points. They can end up with Null to every element they deal with after spending 93 points.
• Mages can end up with Resist to almost every element (not counting Almighty, there is no Resist/Null Almighty) they deal with after spending 56/63 points. They can end up with Null to almost every element they deal in after spending 248/279 points.
• Rogues can end up with Resist to every element they deal with after spending 21/28 points. They can end up with Null to every element they deal with after spending 93/124 points.
  Ninjas can end up with Resist to every element they deal with after spending 28/35 points. They can end up with Null to every element they deal with after spending 124/155 points. [Not added 7 points from Rank 3 in Rogue Tree]
  
• Tanks can end up with Resist to every element they deal with after spending 21 points. They can end up with Null to every element they deal with after spending 93 points.
  Paladins can end up with Resist to every element they deal with after spending 28 points. They can end up with Null to every element they deal with after spending 124 points. [Not added 7 points from Rank 3 in Tank Tree]
  Guardians can end up with Resist to every element they deal with after spending 21/28 points. They can end up with Null to every element they deal with after spending 93/124 points. [Not added 7 points from Rank 3 in Tank Tree]
• Jacks-Of-All-Trades can end up with Resist to every element they deal with after spending either 14/21 (version "2 Trees") or 28/35 (version "4 Trees") points.
  Resist to every element possible after spending 77/84 points.
  They can end up with Null to every element they deal with after spending either 62/93 (version "2 Trees") or 124/155 (version "4 Trees") points.

But, points are not everything. Let's list elements with Resist and Null per Archetype, shall we?

• Fighters: Strike, Pierce, Slash
• Mages: Fire, Ice, Electricity, Wind, Earth, Water, Light, Dark, /Ailment/
• Rogues: Strike, Pierce, Slash, /Ailment/
  Ninjas: Strike, Pierce, Slash, one element from Elemental Trees, /Ailment/
• Tanks: Strike, Pierce, Slash
  Paladins: Strike, Pierce, Slash, either Light or Dark
  Guardians: Strike, Pierce, Slash, /Ailment/

I am not listing there Jack-Of-All-Trades due to their nature. They can have Nulls for:
- (version "2 Trees") one element from Physical Trees and one element from Magical Trees, one element from Physical Tree, two elements from Physical Trees, two elements from Magical Trees
- (version "4 Trees") two elements from Physical Trees and two elements from Magical Trees;
and possible Ailment.
Also, they can have all Resists. All of them.

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In event of N.1 being true or/and N.3 being false, disregard:

Due to not having description of Ailment Resist and Ailment Null, you will have classes with them in this: /" "/. If Ailment Null means what I think it does (Absolute protection from all ailments), then cannot be hurted by Ailment Tree. In event this is the only mention of them in list of who given Archetype can kill, they will be immune to that Archetype.

What we can take from this, you may ask. Well, let's see. Assuming arbitrary large amount of time, events, missions and maxed out Archetypes (Which means no Tanks -> They all evolve into either Paladins or Guardians; no Rogues -> They evolve into either Assassins or Ninjas) :

-Fighters can hurt and kill only Mages. (Only Mages don't have access to Physical Trees.)

-Mages can hurt and kill everyone. (Due to possible Element Break and Almighty Tree.)

-Assassins can hurt and kill Fighters, Paladins (Ailment Tree) and Mages. (Physical Trees) /Assassins, Ninja, Guardians, Mages - Ailment Tree/

-Ninjas can hurt and kill Fighters, Paladins (Ailment Tree, Elemental Tree), Rogues, Guardians (Elemental Tree) and Mages (Physical Trees, possible Element Break + unspecified Elemental Tree). /Rogues, Ninja, Guardians, Mages - Ailment Tree/
Possibly they can hurt and kill each other. (possible Element Break + unspecified Elemental Tree)

-Paladins can hurt and kill Fighters, Rogues, Ninjas, Guardians (Light Tree or Dark Tree) and Mages. (Physical Trees, possible Light Break or Dark Break + Light Tree or Dark Tree)
Possibly they can hurt and kill each other. (possible Light Break or Dark Break + Light Tree or Dark Tree)

-Guardians can hurt and kill Fighters, Paladins (Ailment Tree) and Mages. (Physical Trees) /Rogues, Ninja, Guardians, Mages - Ailment Tree/

Note: Killing Paladins with Ailment Tree is harder due to possibility of them having Patra, Me Patra, Posumudi, Me Posumudi, Nervundi, Energy Shower and/or Amrita. It isn't denied by their Archetype per se.

Note that I haven't used any starting packet of Resists, Nulls and Weaknesses. With them, you can theoretically make a Mage who Resists all Physical Skills and Nulls all Magic Skills other than Almighty Skills.

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4. Second proof that Matheroc doesn't read

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Let's see how Archetype Trees work.
Going with assumption that they are not accessable by anyone else. Potential of Jack-Of-All-Trades accessing them will be observed in separate scenario. [N.4]

Firstly, as far as I can observe, only Ranks from 1 to 3 have anything. Literally anything. Beyond Rank 3, every Rank is dead. Dead as if, empty.

Fighter Tree

Rank 1: "Gain 1 point in a Physical Tree" - Recommended taking as first Rank, gain second Tree out of the start. Take as soon as you can.

Rank 2: Dead.

Rank 3:
Warrior
- "Gain access to Weapon Tree" - There is no Weapon Tree. Is it hidden? If answer is "no", then that is useless.
- "Gain one Rank in a Physical Tree" - Recommended taking as late as possible, to save points. 4 points versus 64 points?

Berserker
- "Gain Rage Mode skill" - [Rage Mode - Raises Attack, and Accuracy and lowers Defense for two post cycles for the user. After two cycles user burns out and cannot perform an action for two cycles.] - Emphasis mine. Two cycles of posts as sitting duck? You have either very good friends or death wish.
- "Physical attacks are 5% stronger" - Let me be honest. That may sound good with Boost/Amp, but it is rather small gain. 157.5% versus 150%. Even with Power Change [Double: 315% versus 300% (Weakness: 630% versus 600%) /2.5x: 393.75% versus 375% (Weakness: 787.5% versus 750%)] difference isn't knocking me out. Maybe, just maybe, with focus on Critical Hits...
- "Greatly lowered Defense" - Read part about Rage Mode. It got worse.

Mage Tree

Rank 1: "Gain 1 point in Elemental Tree" - Recommended taking as first Rank, gain second Tree out of the start. As soon as you can, preferably.

Rank 2: Dead.

Rank 3:
Archmage
- "Gain one Rank in any Elemental Tree" - Recommended taking as late as possible, to save points.

Cleric
- "Gain Rank in Recovery Tree" - Not as good as any other "gain Rank in", because Recovery Tree has only four Ranks. Still, 4 points versus 8 points. Just make sure that you have Rank 3 in Recovery Tree, first.

Rogue Tree

Rank 1: "Gain 1 point in a Physical Tree or Ailment Tree" - Take as first Rank, gain second Tree out of the start. As soon as you can.

Rank 2: "Gain Stealth Skill" - [Stealth -Hides the user from detection by all threats for 3 post cycles, any offensive action performed by the target removes the cloak. Offensive actions performed out of stealth gain a 15% damage boost. Cooldown of 3 cycles] - Logic and other things aside, you gain boost to one attack or possibility to escape from fight. Spam it when you can.

Rank 3:
Assassin
- "Gain one Rank in Ailment Tree" - As late as possible, to save points.
- "Ailment hit rate increased by 5%" - Going witt Ranks in Ailments, you gain overall 20% bonus to hit someone or everyone with them. Normal people have 20% to hit everyone with them at the best. I am sure you will figure out the benefits of your job.

Ninja
- "Gain access to one Elemental Tree" - N.2 aside, that gives you additional method of killing people. One that no one but you, Mages and some Jack-Of-All-Trades have. What's not to like?
- "Gain one Rank 1 Elemental Tree" - And, free Rank 1. Read: Free point. Kinda nice, given that you paid four points to pay more points to have a chance at killing more people...

Tank Tree

Rank 1: "Gain 1 point in a Physical or Recovery Tree" - Take as first Rank, gain second Tree out of the start. As soon as you can.

Rank 2: "Gain Immovable Wall skill" - [Immovable Wall - User acts as a wall for a party member, until the skill is either turned off or used on someone else. When that party member takes damage you jump in front of them and redirect 15% of the damage to yourself.] - Wording aside (Jumping after someone was hit, 15% damage goes to you), 85% of the damage still goes to original victim, I presume? Helpful, maybe, but calculations (15% out of heavy damage?)...

Rank 3:
Paladin
- "Light or Dark Tree is now open" - Jokes aside, that is very good message.
- "Gain Hama or Mudo" - No words about whereupon you have to take Light Tree with Hama or Dark Tree with Mudo? Other than that, instant gratification, remember that you still have no Ranks in chosen Tree.

Guardian
- "Ailment Tree is now open" - Good. Do what thou shalt upon those with no luck.
- "Gain Taunt Skill" - [Taunt - The target of this skill must attack the user. Single Target. Duration 1 cycle. Cooldown 1 cycle.] - Make sure to have some passive Recovery. And, watch out for all-target skills. It can be good, but it depends on enemy.

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N.4 scenario

Using Jack-Of-All-Trades, fact that Archetype Trees have only three Ranks worth of mention (namely, Ranks 1-3) and fact that technically, there is nowhere written that they cannot take Archetype Trees, you can nitpick best parts from Archetypes. I don't know if that will work with "Only to Rank 3" rule and gaining new Rank from Rank of Archetype Tree. Or if "gain access to Tree"/"Tree is now open" overwrites "Only to Rank 3" rule. To get Recovery Rank 4...

Just a note. You may wish to patch that out, if you want.

I recommend mainly Rogue Tree and Tank Tree.

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5. Second proof that Matheroc doesn't think.

Now, I know that we are in RP forum and that I am the odd one. Maybe that post is particularly useless thanks to it. Still, I would like to offer my thanks to whoever will read all of this.

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6. Second proof that Matheroc's time doesn't pass.
Or, It Was Too Long, So I Didn't Read It.

I made some assumptions:
- That only Mages and Jack-Of-All-Trades can access Almighty Tree. (N.1 being false) In event of it being true, either everyone can access Almighty Skills, somewhat lessening influence of Trees or Rogues can access Almighty Skills, weakly lessening influence of Trees.
- That you can access skills from higher ranks. (N.2 being true)
- That Element Boost/Amp/Resist/Null gained from Mastery Ranks are outside eight Skill Slots. (N.3 being true) In event of it being false, influence of Trees will be greatly lessened in uselessness of Fighters.

With them, please search and read "Proof that Matheroc's time doesn't pass." .

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I wish thee good reading. orz